Curse

Grindwarrior · Aug 20, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Something that seems to happen to new guilds that are pvp oriented, is when u play the first few guild battles, everything is great. You use 1-2 henches and roll over a bunch of n00b teams getting rating and rank. Then you get to rank <1000 and things start to get tougher. What happens then is, people start thinking we absolutely cannot use henches, start guild battles without the guild leader and have to test out the build in tombs to make sure it works. The effect being, your guild simply stops doing GvG. People think not playing at all is better then loosing a few battles. But you could learn a lot from and get better from the losses. It's the only true way of improving. The guilds rating will reflect your overall skill level anyway if you just keep playing.

I have joined two guilds and they both have the same problem. I quitted the first after I realised their not going to GvG ever again after our first loss (!). Now the 2nd guild im in I even talked a lot on the subject with them but they still don't seem to realise it, and now it seems it's too late for them too.

Anyone else have similar experiences? Are there any guilds at all that value fighting inactivity and getting better more then keeping your rating/rank or "clean stats" (few losses as possible)?

Vorlin · Aug 21, 2005, 12:13 AM // 00:13

I don't have any PvP experience in GWars worth mentioning, but from playing PvP in other games I can tell you that to be -good- at PvP you have to have an aggressive take on it. You have to -want- to get in there and mix it up. You aren't worried about losing, you are worried about winning. Any loss is just something to overcome.

When your focus becomes 'not losing' instead of 'winning', then you just took a big step towards mediocrity when it comes to PvP of any type.

Divinitys Creature · Aug 21, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Play to win and never fear losing

What are you, chicken? No? then go out there and kick some butt :P

Grindwarrior · Aug 21, 2005, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Yeah that's what I meant in a nutshell it's just that all the guilds I join up with don't have that mindset. They end up thinking they can't go with henches, have to tomb more etc or get uneccesary losses. This never happens so = no gvg.

Weezer_Blue · Aug 21, 2005, 10:56 AM // 10:56

If you're dead set on winning, henchies will be the bane of your victories. If you're short on members like my guild is, however, they will be the only thing that makes guild battles possible at all (and we still own with them). Having the leader around is excessive though... as the leader isn't always the best member.

Kai Nui · Aug 21, 2005, 11:10 AM // 11:10

I think you should test out builds in HoH, and if it doesn't work, try and try again until you've come up with something good. It's useless to go in with a team that hasn't been used before, you're almost destined for failure. Once you have a good set, plug away until you get into your groove by doing GVG. You will lose, but then again what guild hasn't?

Mimi Miyagi · Aug 21, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Kai Nui

I think you should test out builds in HoH, and if it doesn't work, try and try again until you've come up with something good. It's useless to go in with a team that hasn't been used before, you're almost destined for failure. Once you have a good set, plug away until you get into your groove by doing GVG. You will lose, but then again what guild hasn't?

We haven't. 17-0 (so far).

Ginko · Aug 21, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

My guild is usually dead set on losing, but we manage to get a few matches every week or so, were currently ranked 13-2. The loses were both when members dropped out.

--Ginko

Divinitys Creature · Aug 21, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

IIRC the guild Henchies FTW [joke] got into the top 100 with henchies

Snowman · Aug 21, 2005, 11:03 PM // 23:03

It seems quite difficult to gather enough decent and active members recently, let alone establish regular GvG.. I'm expecting the summer updates will pick things up alot.

When it does we will do a recruiting drive.. then just try and do as many Guild battles as possible...

to stop playing for fear of losing means you completly slip off the ranking.. so we may as well just play without being too concerned about rank... its just much better to be fighting as much as possible, even if you've just spammed new members to keep the numbers full.

musefanalert · Aug 21, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

our guild, The Last Order battle frequesntly and we have no qualms about losing or using henchies